Who Is A Rabbi?   (22/02/2010)

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crisis in Jewish religious leadership
At a recent interfaith conference I attended, a survey was released which said that Jews have the least confidence in their leaders of any religious group. Rabbis - our religious leaders - ARE to be expected to be held accountable to higher moral standards. And THEY are moral guides. Like a previous comment said, if not what are they - talmud and torah professors? A religious leader is supposed to show the path to G-d and in every religion in the world that is what a religious leader does. Even we are not producing these kinds of leaders, our response should not be `well, we expect too much of them.` but how to we make changes so that our rabbis live up to the ideals of Torah and of being men of G-d. Where we are is the result of making intellectual prowess the center of our religion and distorting what a religious leader should be about.
A, Israel, Mar 7 2010 12:22:00:000AM

Charismatic teachers
The idea that young people, students in high school and yeshiva, should maintain "individual responsibility for Torah" when faced with a charismatic rabbi is ludicrous. Charisma by its very nature siphons off individuality and creates a form of rebbe worship. A charismatic rabbi makes young people feel as though they are part of the Torah process and the oral tradition. Is there anyone who has known Rav Alon all these years and has had childen attend Horev who cannot attest to the fact that he was a major force in creating a positive Jewish experience for their children? His charisma helped thousands of young people to find a centrist path in Judaism. That he fell; that he sinned; and that he may have betrayed the very ideals he was inculcating in our children doesn`t change the fact that he was successful. His punishment, if indeed everything that has been written about him is true, needs to be meted out, but it will be difficult for many of us to burn his books or tell our children to negate what he taught them. That`s the power of charisma.
Yaacov Peterseil, Israel, Mar 1 2010 2:31:00:000PM

The victims
This piece, and every other piece and media discussion about this story I`ve read and heard so far, ignores, or at best touches only briefly upon, the plight of the victim. This is not only about a confusion between the role of a rabbi and a teacher, or of a teacher and a psychologist, it`s about sexual abuse. Much has been documented about abuse of females, but does anyone involved know anything about specifically male victims of sexual abuse, irrespective of where it happens and in what kind of society? About the recovery rate of such people from a life of anguish, self-hatred and guilt that is a living hell even if the victim does report it and get therapy, which is almost never? This is tip-of-iceberg with many ramifications, not least the possibility that Rabbi Elon himself is a victim of a sort. Take a look at this Yom Yerushalayim clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg8GpDjI1EA The clammy mix you see there of nationalism, charisma, ecstasy and Torah study blurs the borders between religion and cultism, between affection and abuse. It will have to be taken apart sliver by sliver to ensure that appropriate safeguards of personal space can be installed. They must demonstrably be respected by both the guide and the guided. Big changes that require commitment and courage.
sh, Israel, Feb 27 2010 10:19:00:000PM

Rabbi/teacher/celebrity
In the space between the relationship description Donniel is objecting too and the more intimate personal description of R. Alon shared by JoJo. It seems there is the factor of the calf bringing on the milk of the cow. Could it be that it is the students who are the source of the overly dependent relationship they had with R. Elon. If so perhaps it is the religious version of the celebrity culture that seems to have overtaken many of the secular youth. Those who from the orthodox perspective are associated with the “empty” carts. It may testify to the pathology of the age, rather than that of the individual.
Yoram Getzler, Israel, Feb 25 2010 5:55:00:000PM

Rabbi`s role
While there are certainly many points in the article that I would agree with, there is one fundamemtal point with which I disagree. The rabbi is not just a teacher of Torah. The rabbi is supposed to model what Torah living is all about in every sense. The rabbi, further, does not just represent himself, he represents the system - he represents three thousand years plus of Torah living. His fulfillment of mitzvot as a Jewish leader continues to validate a system that ultimately is no better than the group of people who maintain it. His observance inspires younger generations to abide by that system and not to abandon it for another. As noted above, of course a person`s fulfillment ultimately should not be based on the rabbi or contingent thereon, but that is an intellectual point, while the connection to the rabbi is an experiential one, and thus an emotional one, and thus one that cannot be ignored and rejected for a cold, distant alternative. It is within the rights of Orthodoxy to feel mournful and shattered when such a prince of Torah for almost four decades falls to such a degree. Mourners in their hour of grief should not be taunted or told that their feelings are irrational or wrong. Woe to the generation that will look upon its spiritual shepherds and leaders as nothing more than Bible and Talmud professors.
Abe Weschler, Israel, Feb 24 2010 10:25:00:000AM

Role of Rabbis
Right on!
Philip Greenberg, Canada, Feb 24 2010 4:12:00:000AM

who is a rabbi
Not only well done; the column is truthful to Torah. This is a rare and hopeful quality
alan yuter, usa, Feb 24 2010 12:36:00:000AM


I agree with the article, and agree that it is a rightful criticism of how some people related to Rav Elon, but anyone who ever learned his torahs (instead of just connecting to him emotionally) knows that he taught the exact opposite - he was all about people - the Amcha - taking responsibility, and spoke of a relationship which helps you be yourself - not one which overwhelms you. I honestly think this person never even learned a word of Rav Elon and just analyzed everything from the outside. Again, the ideas I think are correct but the relationship is simply not.
Jojo, Israel, Feb 23 2010 8:24:00:000PM

Rabbis
I haven`t read such an interesting article for a long time.Being secular I regard the Torah as a guide to the way one should live. The idea of going to a rabbi asking him what to do is unthinkable for me. I was given a brain and I can think for myself. I used to listen to Rabbi Elon frequently with great interest and it is upsetting that such an intelligent man can be so amoral and take advantage of his position.What is disturbing is not the fact that he is bisexual, but that he used his position to take advantage of students coming to him for advice. How can a true believer behave that way.
Renny, Israel, Feb 23 2010 2:22:00:000PM

Off-point
there are a number of problems with this article as it relates to r elon: 1. elon was not interested in secular culture; he was more chardal than anything. 2. the article does not deal with the the rabbi as posek, just as teacher. 3. the cult of personality notwithstanding, there is a positive concept of role model and personal inspiration, which this article also does not deal with. 4. i suspect that for most, the philosophy is hardly the issue. just living life as an orthodox jew in a largely secular culture is difficult; most are not seeking great philosophical underpinnings, just the ability to sleep at night with their lifestyle. i suspect the issue of sound philosophical underpinnings is a problem for the author more than for most modern orthodox jews. the penultimate paragraph was on the money though.
David Brand, Israel, Feb 23 2010 12:14:00:000PM

Dancing over the blood
The fact that Elon affaire is a big mishap does not posel all orthodox/new orthodox/modern orthodox/dati leumi/etc rabanim. To each and every one of Elon`s followers was not only given the Torah but the freedom of choice.
Tzvi Manor, Israel, Feb 22 2010 6:41:00:000PM

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